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ConFuzzled Forums => Feedback => Topic started by: Amethyst on June 03, 2013, 20:21:33
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I have a little thing to say about the shirts and saw no one else making a thread so I thought I'd start.
I found this years design kinda, meh. The art is ok, if a little rushed looked and jarring. It took me a bit to figure out it was a badger walking through trees. But it looks like any other wildlife tee that you could get from a Zoo or something.
All the previous year's shirts told you the theme of the con and were furry. '11 had 1920s Furs, '12 had a film star Brok.
I was hoping for a nice distinctly furry shirt for my extra money paid. Maybe Brok as a knight, or Heraldric Beast.
I had to go and buy myself a 2011 shirt to make up for it.
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I admit I have to agree, nothing about the shirt really says anything about the con or the theme. It took me ages to make out there was a badger there, and it doesn't look like Brok, and the Confuzzled logo is very small and hard to see as well. I would have liked something more in line with the shirts the hotel staff were wearing- they were great- such a shame we won't be back there next year.
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I personally liked the shirt - I thought it was a lovely design. Also there are a lot of attendees who do not like showing their furriness as openly as others, such as if they want to wear it to work on a casual day. There are also a growing number of mature furries (30+) who do not actually LIKE shirts with big toony characters on them.
I like both kinds of shirt don't get me wrong, but I personally feel that this years shirt is my favorite so far and it's one I would be happy to wear outside of the con. Props to the artist who did the work and hope to see as nice a shirt next year!
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I found this year's T shirt to be a little bland like something the staff at a garden centre would wear as part of their work uniform. I preferred the one's the hotel staff were issued with the characters on the front.
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I saw a print of the actual Tshirt design during the Yard Sale and the subject matter was was much more apparent... just seems that transferring it to a t shirt may have removed a lot of the detail which meant that it took 3 days for me to spot the badger (and even then I spotted him the wrong way up, pointing a sword).
As for the lack of any overtly furcon themes to this shirt there are good and bad sides to this. I first saw the design and had a WTF moment but it has grown on me. It is a t shirt which I can wear in the street without any loud proclamations of furfaggotry on it, and yet many other furs will be able to see you in this shirt in the future and be able to know what con it is from... sort of like a secret code on the garment.
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The t-shirt design was discussed at the feedback session on Monday morning.
As I recall, the decision to "tone down" the design and avoid massive "ConFuzzled 2013" straplines was taken as many people like to wear the t-shirts as normal t-shirts at work (for instance) and don't necessarily want to start answering possibly awkward questions about what "ConFuzzled" is.
The staff have taken note though, so there may be new developments for next year :)
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Thing is, if you want a shirt to wear outside "any day with no hassle", just buy a normal shirt or even one with an animal print on it. If you go to a con, you want a con shirt. Something that tells you about the con and the theme. I paid for Plus because I wanted a furry themed shirt, because I lack any thing like that. I was kinda disappointed, and it's not something I want to wear.
And yeah, the hotel staff shirts were a lot better! Does anyone know if these are available to buy? I think they were far superior and a better colour.
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And yeah, the hotel staff shirts were a lot better! Does anyone know if these are available to buy? I think they were far superior and a better colour.
Afaik, the hotel staff were not allowed to sell their t-shirts. The only one that was sold went in the live auction for charity :)
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The hotel staff didn't get to keep their t-shirts, this was confirmed to be by several sources including one of the managers
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The hotel staff didn't get to keep their t-shirts, this was confirmed to be by several sources including one of the managers
Aww, that's unfair :(
Could someone at least send them one of the attendee t-shirts each as a momento ?
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I personally think the shirts are rather spiffy. The colour, the design, the subtle simplicity with the look of a moonlit night. It's flat out awesome.
But, This is where the age old rule of "You can't please everyone" comes into play.
Not everyone is going to like this shirt, and it's sad that it is true. Not everyone likes toony con shirts either, and that's a shame as well. But not all of us like licorice or chocolate, or even...dare I say....Frog in the Boot. We're so different and so varied that it will be impossible to create a shirt design that will appease everyone.
Perhaps next year you'll have a shirt that's more to your liking! You never know :)
In the meantime, enjoy what you DID get out of the con. The book, the badges, the little shields. Those are nifty reminders that you can still show off to people if they have any questions (Specially the con book, that thing is full of furry goodness).
The hotel staff didn't get to keep their t-shirts, this was confirmed to be by several sources including one of the managers
Aww, that's unfair :(
Could someone at least send them one of the attendee t-shirts each as a momento ?
All the yes on that one. Totally agree there XD.
-Auro
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i would just like to chime in on this, and that everybody i spoke with in person on the topic really liked this year's design. As Aurocard points out, obviously everybody will have different opinions, but not everybody's keen on the whole LOLFURRIES on their chest thing. For that matter, i feel similarly about non-furry conventions. As an example, my favourite non-furry convention t-shirt is another which similarly does not contain the name of the convention itself (not going to go on about which specifically it is, but it's a computing industry event, not another fandom). Just my couple of pennies on that one.
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I agree with Amethyst :
MEH ??? ??? ???
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Most people I know felt the same as me. Surely when you go to a furrycon, the usual thing is a toony shirt with the name of the con emblazened on it- if you don't like it, nobody's making you buy it. I certainly much prefer a shirt which actually says something about the con it came from, you can get shirts with nightime treescapes on from lots of places, I like con shirts to be more unique. As people have said, if you don't want to be asked awkward questions about what "Confuzzled" is, then don't wear your shirt in any of those situations!
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if you don't like it, nobody's making you buy it.
This.
I paid extra for the plus because I was expecting something in the same vein as the other shirts. I was really excited to have maybe a Brok Knight or him fending a dragon from his cookies...
Maybe in future, we should get a preview of the shirt so people will know whether they'll like it or not.
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Can't really add anything to what's been said so far but, if anyone's counting, chalk another one up for being in favour of the shirt. If it was much more obviously about Confuzzled then it would stay in my wardrobe for all eternity.
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I personally don't get the people who say they like the fact "it's not obviously about the con". Isn't the whole point of a con shirt to be about the con? If you just want a shirt showing an abstract picture of a forest on a moonlit night, there's a ton of them on amazon! If a shirt that was "obviously" about Confuzzled is doomed to stay in your wardrobes, then why would you buy it?
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I personally don't get the people who say they like the fact "it's not obviously about the con". Isn't the whole point about a con shirt to be about the con? If you jsut want a shiort showing an abstract picture of a forest on a moonlit night, there's a ton of them on amazon! If a shirt that was "obviously" about Confuzzled is doomed to stay in your wardrobes, then why would you buy it?
I didn't buy the shirt per se, it came as part of the sponsor upgrade which I'd've got anyway - shirt or no shirt. As such I was pleasantly surprised that it was a) a design I liked, and ii) a shirt I could actually wear rather than a mere souvenir. I can sympathize with those who were expecting something different, of course.
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many people like to wear the t-shirts as normal t-shirts at work (for instance) and don't necessarily want to start answering possibly awkward questions about what "ConFuzzled" is.
So why is it so awkward to answer, Confuzzled is just a social gathering of people with interests in anthropomorphism?
People wear T shirts with names of music bands, holiday resorts they have visited, sports teams they support, films they like so why not a T shirt featuring an interest in anthropomorphism?
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many people like to wear the t-shirts as normal t-shirts at work (for instance) and don't necessarily want to start answering possibly awkward questions about what "ConFuzzled" is.
So why is it so awkward to answer, Confuzzled is just a social gathering of people with interests in anthropomorphism?
People wear T shirts with names of music bands, holiday resorts they have visited, sports teams they support, films they like so why not a T shirt featuring an interest in anthropomorphism?
Because, unfortunately, the furry fandom has a different meaning to us than it does to everyone else who either:
a) Doesn't understand it, doesn't take the time to, and only goes by what stereotypes there are out there (Those nasty evil ones that make us ALL look like perverted perverts with no other interest whatsoever)....
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b) Doesn't understand it, tries to, and discovers that it's not for them for various reasons (weather it be the suits make them uncomfortable, to the crowds, to the fact that everyone relates to an animal in one way or another etc etc...too many variables to list).
Some of us, not all of us, are up for keeping this their own hobby, sharing it with only like minded people. And personally, I think that's okay. Having family members who wouldn't understand, or friends who might back away at the mere look of a shirt is something that does happen, and it's an unfortunate thing. The lack of understanding and proper education on the subject is part of the problem, but sometimes being able to educate others on it is not an option because the fandom tends to be a little....."in your face" if you will.
There will always be people out there who just don't get it, and some of us want to avoid the criticism and the guffawing remarks that can lead to broken friendships or even a broken family (yes, I've seen that happen before...it sucks). Some of us would like to just live our day to day life and escape from it all on our own with like minded people.
Despite how long furries have been around....it'll take a while before society as a whole just gives up and moves onto something else that they can try to make sound horrible at first sight.
-Auro
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I've never had anyone ask about what's on my shirt. That's kinda weird.
I explained it to my, rather backwards, work as a " Fancy dress/ Mascot ( like the football ones)/ Scifi con". It worked :D.
And isn't a con shirt meant to be a souvenir of the con? Something to remember the con by and maybe for others to recognize when you go to other events.
Like others said, if you want a shirt to wear everyday with no questions asked ( Do the fashion police take you in for an interview? xD) go head to Primark and pic up an animal print shirt for £3.
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Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
I personally think this shirt is one of the nicest so far, with last years being my favourite.
I love the minimalist design and not being black is always good. I have too many black tees as is.
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I like it. It's maybe the only furcon tee I'll actually wear more than once per year. I like the toony and more obvious shirts as well, but I have enough of those :)
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I wear my tshirts from other conventions to work, so the name being on it isn't an issue for me. I'd have liked it on there on the front or smaller on the back.
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I agree the part that picture does not reflect the convention or the theme. At least Confuzzled logo and year could have been on different color. Black is not too well visible from dark green background :)
Other than that, I really like the shirt! Picture and colours. And I'm one of those who don't like convention name to be in shirt with huge letters. I was really happy when I saw this year shirt.
Still doesn't beat Eurofurence 15 shirt though, best one ever :)
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I liked that it wasn't purple. That one is still in it's bag in the garage! ;D
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i was gonna suggest this in feedback, but if you want to go down that arty route for tshirts, maybe have one official Brock shirt that everyone can see advertises CFz and then have a 2nd one for those who wanted the more non furry casual look. Especially if you have two artist GoH. I know printing etc = money, but maybe you could look into doing that?
Just that this year, I'm with the majority, I was expecting Brock in armour or somthing.
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I liked that it wasn't purple. That one is still in it's bag in the garage! ;D
Pfft. The purple one is the best one. ;)
It seems there are a lot of people for and against having a subtle con shirt, and unless by some amazing design voodoo we can make a shirt that can do both I'm not sure how this will go!
Two shirts which you could choose between would obviously fix the problem, and it is a consideration and has been considered before. As you've said, money is a factor. Price breaks for printed t-shirts are ridiculous - the more you can buy at once, the better by far. There's also extra work in getting art of sufficient quality prepared. This, plus having the design(s) available early enough for registration, are in the list of things we are aware of and would love to do if we could. Perhaps some year all of this will be possible, potentially depending on where the breaks in the price breaks are...
For this year's design - I will be wearing it more because it will go to work with me, whereas none of the other T-shirts will. In fact, I bought an extra one at the yard sale. Like most staff I have a lot of the older T-shirts, mugs, glasses and things to remind me of ConFuzzled and don't need another one. I'm glad people have come back to us and told us their feelings about this, as it's very easy to lose perspective.
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Incidentally, I didn't get the Residential+ because I wasn't fussed by the theme and figured the t-shirt wouldn't be that interesting to me. However, I ended up buying both the convention glass and t-shirt. The design of the t-shirt is notable in it's subtlety; I've attended many conventions and see many con shirts and I've never seen one which featured no writing at all, not even the name of the convention. It was quite a bold choice of design for a convention shirt but I understand the specification for the shirt was one which could be worn anywhere. While I liked this fact as it was a shirt I could wear to work without 50 questions, I do agree with other comments here that because it's not obviously a convention shirt, it feels less of a convention souvenir. The result is only those in the know, know it is a furry shirt so wearing it kinda results in a private nod to others who are aware :P
Anyway, in summary, it's an interesting design choice but would prefer the more classic con shirt design for next year :)
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Held a BBQ yesterday with three attending wearing their CFz 2013 shirts - when you're outside of the surreal atmosphere of a con (with 6' tall wolves running around behind bright pink rabbits and neon 'roos) they have a nice appeal :)
But it is indeed a very curious design! Personally, though, I like it! :) I don't really wear con shirts much anyway (I'm one of those sad sods that keep them generally un-faded and nice for special occassions) but this design did make me smile :)
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My only grievance about this year's shirt was that Confuzzled 2013 wasn't printed on it. The con staff did say they didn't do it deliberately so that people who were conscious about wearing a furry shirt in public. I think that next year the con staff should have the shirt come with an iron-on transfer, so people can iron on the logo for the con if they want to.
Also, maybe they should stock up on more XL and larger sizes. I wanted an XL but settled for a L; the XL was more so I could wear it outside my fursuit.
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Also, maybe they should stock up on more XL and larger sizes. I wanted an XL but settled for a L; the XL was more so I could wear it outside my fursuit.
When ordering the T-Shirts, they take sales from previous years and the sizes people enter into the registration system as a guide to quantities to order in each size. It is inevitable, however, that they'll occasionally run out.